Specs
| Burrs | Stock Italmill-style steel 2:50 |
| Dial | At the base. It moves the motor and lower burr, and the range is set up for espresso, so filter means recalibrating 2:50 |
Starting settings
These are the settings each creator gave, measured from their own grinder's zero. Use them as a starting point.
| Method | Setting | Context | Confidence | By | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pour-over | coarsest setting | A 20 g V60 of a low-grown Brazilian natural that likes a fine grind. The bed was slightly muddy | stated | Rowsell | 7:39 |
Cup profile
- A traditional espresso profile 2:50.
Strengths
- Good value if you only make espresso, and it avoids the cross-threading of the old top thread 2:50.
Weaknesses
- Recalibrating or swapping burrs is slow and fiddly, the horizontal burrs hold coffee, and the timer dose varied by about ±1.5 g in one test Lance Hedrick cites 2:50.
Verdict
Lance Hedrick called it a solid budget espresso option in 2023 2:50. In 2024 he gave it a D because of the dial mechanism 18:22.
Kyle Rowsell's take
- 2022: the same cup as the original DF64 with better alignment, less static and about 0.1 g retention after using the bellows, and it's precise for espresso. The grind range is very narrow, though, and its coarsest setting only just managed a V60. A great espresso grinder rather than an all-rounder. The P was $420 and the E $450 on pre-order, and the E's timed single doses ranged from 8.5 to 11.5 g 7:08.
Sprometheus's take
- 2022 (DF64P): balanced, full espresso for $470, with fluffy grounds, about 0.2 g retention with bellows, and two bolts between you and the burrs. It's loud, the single-bolt fork loosens, the rubber feet tear and the cup is plastic. A bargain, though he still ranks the Lagom P64 higher 8:44.
Sources
- Kyle Rowsell: DF64 Upgraded | Great but ONE MAJOR FLAW (DF64P / DF64E) (2022-09-23)
- Sprometheus: DF64P: The Budget Lagom (2022-10-21)
- Lance Hedrick: ULTIMATE 64MM GRINDER SHOWDOWN (Kopi Deva, Zerno, DF64V, DF64E, DF64P, G64, Moca SD, Timemore 064) (2023-06-21)
- Lance Hedrick: Grinder Tier List (2024-09-10)
Summarised in our own words from the creators' videos, with every point linked to the moment it comes from. Notchbook isn't affiliated with or endorsed by any of these creators, so please watch the originals for full context. Sources
Dialling in from here
- Sour, thin or fast? Grind finer. Why coffee tastes sour
- Bitter, dry or slow? Grind coarser. Why coffee tastes bitter
- Espresso: how to dial in. Filter: pour-over grind size.
Compare with other grinders in the grind size chart, or see every grinder.
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